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Re: i am that

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:37 am
by enegiss
‘I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known; hence, I
created the universe so that I might be known.’ —Holy

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:57 am
by zenpassedthetest
I dislike PDF's and purchased I AM THAT from Amazon.

and much more!

I AM THAT is a MUST read for all folk interested in Life and its infinite ingredients........... :clap:

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:32 pm
by enegiss
soz about the length of the post, but i find it very interesting, certainly the very last paragraph brings a clearer picture as to how i see things. peace and light
Either use your mind - your brain to understand and evaluate what has been proven scientifically or surrender to the path draw out for you by the RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam - there is no other salvation.
Holographic Universe Of Your Mind

Whether you chose to believe it or not, whether you manage to grasp it or not, there is one absolute scientific reality:

You live and dwell within your imagination and your imagination alone!

Electromagnetic waves transmitted to your mind via all of your senses are evaluated by your brain based on its existing platform of data, and create the multi-dimensional holographic world in which you live in. Regardless of who you are, you do not live or exist in the outside world - you live in the imaginary world that exists inside of your mind.

Everything that you sense or judge is no more than your perception of its existence.

Everyone exists and will continue to exist within his own universe for eternity. Your heaven and your hell are and will be as "real" as you consider your Universe to be real for you today.

All that exists in each of our Universe's is there based on the data that has been forming the core database of our minds... All that makes us happy, all that gives us grief or sorrow forms based on the judgments that define our database.

Now is the time for renewal!

It is time to discover the existence of your quantum potential; your cosmic awakening; and the multi-dimensional holographic existence created by the wave converter more commonly referred to as the mind! For those that have the will and capacity to comprehend, let this write-up serve to dispel all nonsense regarding quantum cafes, quantum healing and quantum cakes.

But first we must know this...

It is the time to completely reconstruct the message that has been passed down through the RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam, the Koran and all those that have awareness of what is real and true, through signs, examples, and metaphors. It is time to view this message in the light of all the scientific facts and hindsight available to us today.

For those that can understand, for those possessing a sufficient database - Absolute reality has been conveyed by the greatest mind to grace the earth, RasulAllah Mohammed Mustafa aleyhessalaam. For those that can READ, The Koran has voiced the absolute reality.

From Hz. Ali to all those that have awareness of what is real and true have sought to explain the way the universal system operates through examples by "READING" the information that was available to them from within.

Given the fact that the universal truth has been delivered to us time and time again through the use of examples, we too can analyze the topic further by way of a metaphor...

Let's assume that a present day modern man, a man that spends his day browsing the internet, communicating globally using internet telephony, aware of all that transpires across the globe in minutes through real-time news flow, were to be "beamed" back in time a thousand years to a civilization that doesn't even have the use or knowledge of electricity. How would such a man explain the tools of our everyday life to those around him? How close to the truth would their perception be? How could they even begin to understand the depth and truth of what you are trying to describe?

So in years past, many have tried to communicate the universal systemic truth to us through the use of examples based on an informational database that we did not yet possess. Some were able to grasp the message relayed, however some who did not have the capacity to comprehend what was being proposed took the examples literally and never realized the true meaning of the message.

In that case what must be done without further delay is to put aside the myth that religion and science are two separate things and recreate the understanding of how religion describes the universal system through scientific fact!

The universal system as described by the scientific platform is none other than the system that has been described by men of Islam through examples and metaphors through what they have "READ" from within. The universal truth as described by the RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam, the Koran and all those that have awareness of what is real and true is in fact the truth that the scientists of today are trying to attain. It is for this reason that when we think of religion, we should be at the point of comprehending what has been attempted to be explained to us through examples instead of creating dreams of the metaphors themselves.

And what if we don't?

The burden of not evaluating the universal truth offered to us by Religion and scientific developments will lead to continuous suffering.

For those of us who don't manage to switch from the understanding of religion based on on a Lord God "up there", to an understanding of the universal systemic truth based on Allah, the inevitable end will be the dissolution of everything that we had held to be real.

The only path to the absolute truth is to comprehend the notion of "Allah" as described by the RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam. The Rasulallah doesn't speak of a God "up there" - he doesn't suggest that we reach out anywhere outside of yourself.

The Rasulallah is not a courier or messenger from a God "out there" onto us! He is the Rasulallah (The true voice of the universal reality).

If you want to delve into religion, you must do so not by gazing out into space or into the sky, but by looking within the depths of your mind, of your "self", by looking into the essence of your existence.

It is important to note that you can listen to and watch numerous informational videos regarding the topics that we will refer to from scientists from across the globe on

The Quantum Potential... Multi fractal dimensions, existing as an illusion (a design platform); concepts like form (pattern), boundary or location are not in question; the creator of infinite meaning (essences), the infinite potential... The countless features in this potential are referred as the "Names of Allah". Here, there is no feature that exists individually. Through the meaning and reference of the name "Aliym" the quantum potential is aware and observes of its own infinite potential. This is the dimension referred to in Sufism as the dimension which observes its own knowledge, through it's own knowledge, within it's own knowledge. It is referred to this subject in the very first verses (ayahs) of The Holy Quran (Al-Fatihah-opening).

There is no such transfiguration or revelation or manifestation of this dimension.

The Cosmic Electromagnetic Dimension... It is a dimension that exists with and within the quantum potential's knowledge! It is the second dimension of delusion. It is the origin of all dimensions, an ocean of wave. All that is perceived or that cannot be perceived exists in this dimension in wave form. Brain's, or for lack of a better word, mind's of all sorts are the converters of this dimension. The phrase "Maliki yevmiddin" of the Fatiha refers to this dimension.

Minds... Exist as wave converters. The multi-dimensional holographic universes are created by these converters, and every individual exists whithin its own holographic universe all-the-while thinking that they exist on a material dimension. "İyyake na'bbudu ve iyyake nastaiyn" of the Fatiha refers to this occurrence.

The Soul... Is the name given to the aggregation of all the frequencies that make up what we refer to as "meaning". It is the core, the essence, the "spirit" of each existence. Every individual "lives" within... every individual's vitality depends on their existence - such that the knowledge of their existence is in fact their existence itself. The essence that every individual portrays is his soul. Therefore, the cosmic electromagnetic dimension is none-other than the soul of the universe itself.

Figuratively speaking, he quantum potential is "a point" harnessing the potential defined by the endless names of Allah. As described through our knowledge and science - a point from endless points. A point that exists within the inherent knowledge that we are blessed with - a fractal dimension that exists within endless dimensions.

It is an existence that immerges from features that have been symbolized through the names of Allah, as a form of every soul, and existences that observes its divinity through the very same features. The creator of "I" is the I, within each "I". It is an existence that cannot be contained within any form of perception. This creator of infinite magnificence is described in Islam as "ALLAHU EKBER"! It is only the above that provides the meaning of ALLAHU EKBER (not God is Great).

Now that we have provided a brief summary, we can revert to our core topic of "our universe" and the mind...

It is crucial to comprehend that the mind "creates" our multi-dimensional holographic universe. Although we "think" we exist in an outside world - the fact is that we create our existence in the depths of our own minds. How does our holographic universe - our world made up of dreams within dreams function? What will be its future? What is the bond or link between our internal universe and the outside world?!

Each and every one of us is the master of his or her own universe... All those around us mere actors! We all accept others into our world to the extent that we assign them a "character" and evaluate them according to our pre-ordained databases.

We had already stated that the mind is in fact a wave converter... It takes the signals it receives via the body's five senses, it evaluates the "outside souls" according to its data base, makes a character judgment and "imagines" it. In fact this act is no different than the way a TV takes the wave information it receives and converts it onto the screen as a pictures or the way a telephone converts waves into sound. It is based on the above that from a young age we continue to exist within the multi-dimensional universe of our minds THINKING that all-the-while we are existing in an outside world.

All that we define as seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling is in fact the conversion of waves of varying frequencies by "our minds" (or what we refer to as our minds), into holographic forms that we can identify. In fact we simply live in our own worlds and will continue to do so both in the future and for eternity!

What we perceive to see is none other than an instantaneous wave blast that is encountered by our "mind" then converted according to our existing database. So in fact we live inside of our minds and our lives are spent flipping through the albums of converted wave blasts. When the body dies, as we will no longer have an active mind to convert the incoming wave blasts, our eternal lives will persist through the collection of albums that are minds had created whilst our bodies were alive, similar to the way we currently dream. Eventually, our eternal life will persist through the signals that we will receive from beings of "that" dimension.

The mind generally creates a kind of "cache" memory to quickly remember and accordingly convert the instantaneous wave blasts it receives. Similar to way that computers will recall a previously visited page from its cache memory, our minds will also bring up the most prevalent "memories" of a person every time it receives a wave blast from that being. In this way the moment we are face to face with a person we will recall our "judgments" of that person from days or years past. This is a form of preconditioned qualification. The Rasullah has warned us against falling into this trap... "if you haven't seen someone in a year, the person you see is not the person you saw a year ago!"

It is for this reason that we must continuously clear our preconditioned qualifications - our "cache data base" to be able to re-evaluate every situation according to the current wave blasts.

The mind, although it appears to our naked eye to be flesh and matter, with its neuron based infrastructure is a weave of frequency that our current level of scientific knowhow cannot yet comprehend or define. We refer to this intricate network of wave as "the soul". In its essence it is referred to as "Nur". Nur is knowledge - is "data". This formation is a condensed package of "meaning" - and this formation is eternal. This is why it is said that "we shall taste death during our lives"; death is not the cessation of existence!

The person opposite you is also living in their own multi-dimensional holographic universe. The instantaneous wave blasts relating to that persons physical attributes are converted by our minds within the limitations of our own database, to form what is referred to as the dream world that we live in. This is the prevailing fact that has been conveyed to us though the notion that we come alone, we live alone and we leave alone.

This is the notion referred to by The RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam, as "in your universe"...

Some of us have "homes", or multidimensional holographic universes that resemble "castles", however some of us live in homes filled with garbage. A man may chose to fill his home with garbage that according to his evaluation system is beautiful and valuable, as a man may be "homeless", or what would be commonly referred to as "brainless".

Your holographic universe is the world that you are going to live in for the rest of eternity. The objects, values and instantaneous wave blasts of others that you allow into your universe, are and will be your heaven and your hell.

The instantaneous wave blasts that reach our minds will either be evaluated based on the "garbage" that we have filled our homes with, or by the new homes we have constructed with the guidance of the universal truth "Sunnetullah". The quality of our existence within our cocoons depends on the endless evaluations we make through various stages for eternity.

Upon death, even after the brain no longer exists in its current form, your "life" will persist within your mind in the form of wave or frequency. We WILL live all the truths described in the Kuran-I Kerim on the basis that we have been describing. In fact, if we read the explanation of the Kuran-i Kerim by the author, Ahmed Hulusi with this perspective, we will extract a completely new and profound meaning.

For those that read prayers and the life and explanations of the Rasullah without putting much thought into it have taken examples that were used for the sake of explanation literally. The understanding that man will be re-constructed from his tailbone - and will live on through eternity as flesh and bone is ridiculous. The Kuran has described that the sun will come within a mile of the earth - this fact corresponds perfectly of our scientifically proven understanding that at a future date the sun will engulf the earth and the earth will be vaporized. The example that man will be re-constructed from the tailbone up is a metaphor to explain that a form of life will continue after death.

Muslims have often misunderstood the phrase of the Rasulallah as it was addressed to the Jewish scholars that he was speaking with when he stated that little information was provided to them regarding the "soul". Gazali has summarized by stating that the reality and meaning of the "Soul" is known. One who does not know and understand this cannot reach the enlightened state of "veli". We can also refer to the statement by the Rasulallah - Your soul is your body and your body is your soul.

We now are neither more nor less than what we perceive!


We have an aspect that is referred to as "khalife" that is "beyond" our holographic universe, beyond our knowledge. We are unaware of the gateway that opens to our electromagnetic wave dimension.

If you open that gateway and allow for what's behind to fill up your personal universe then your world will be heaven and your path will lead to Allah!

"The one who 'voids will be liberated" (kad eflaha men tezakka) refers to voiding your world of unnecessary information.

Our dream worlds have an evaluation system based on years of external input from our childhood onwards and our genetic composition. We give our lives direction based on our databases that are in turn programmed through our pre-established judgment systems.

In short - our lives are based solely on externality. We are never truly aware that we send our lives in the cocoons we weave.

Although each night we taste a sampling of our cocoon like existence each night when we go to sleep -we never think about what our nocturnal life means - what it actually hints at. At night, when we are in the state that we call sleep, we are all alone - neither our loved ones nor our children are with us.

When we experience death and move on to a bodiless existence all instantaneous wave blasts are left behind, we travel on our endless voyage based on the evaluation system we developed while alive.

Due to the scarcity of scientific proof in the past, Rasul's and all those that have awareness of what is real and true have been trying to explain the reality to us through the use of religion and explanations regarding the universal system that our life's reality is not the external world.

The goal is to void the mind of pre-established judgment systems and the constantly prevalent instantaneous wave blasts, to allow the mind to be filled with true substance, to convert the mind from a home filled with rubbish to a palace befitting a king or a sultan.

The sultan is he who lives by the meaning of the name Allah, the characteristics that all the names of Allah infer - he is a khalife!

Those of us that are able to pierce our cocoon's will live in the elevated form of a "veli" with the benefit of existing in a cosmic electromagnetic wave "state" - we will live a state of heaven.

The RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam has informed us that in a state of heaven our universe shall be ten times what it was before and every wish will be fulfilled... we will all be the rulers of our own domains.

Those of us that have filled our mental homes with garbage will continue to exist in a state of suffering as a result of not having made the required use of their minds!

There is much to say regarding the mind... we had referred to this subject in the past in "Tecelliyat" published in 1966 and in "Universal Mysteries" that we wrote in 1978 (published in 1990). Science has advanced a great deal and verified a great many of our claims. You can watch the most recent developments regarding the brain on I hope that in due time I will have the opportunity to write more together with the advances in science.

One thing is certain, those of us that do not comprehend that they must void their minds of all that they had thought to be precious and valuable in past will regret having missed the opportunity to do so.

Either use you mind - your brain to understand and evaluate what has been proven scientifically or surrender to the path draw out for you by the RasulAllah Mohammed aleyhessalaam - there is no other salvation.

Translated By Güner TÜRKMEN

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:22 pm
by Prajna
Why accept someone else's bullshit beliefs when you are in a position to investigate the reality yourself?

The whole purpose of "Who am I?" is to get you to enquire into yourself so that you may ultimately know who you really are; not to encourage you to try to form a belief or concept but to actually discover 1st hand.

Find books that have practical help with that enquiry, such as the suggestion "Look to see where thought arises from and to whom it arises." rather than books that posit a belief system, such as the one you quoted above.


Re: i am that

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:00 pm
by enegiss
prajna, somehow i feel as though what i think offends you, i can assure you, what i think is not a belief as you keep saying, as i have said before, i base my knowledge in understanding the oneness, i have already accepted the originator is I, what i find my understanding is, is the Gnostic knowledge contained in the structure therein of the Qu ran, as people find there inner self using the bhagavad gita, or buddhism or taoism or any other ism, i also see this in the gnostic gospels and the Qu ran, please stop telling me i have a belief when i have conclusively prooved on many occaision i have not, what is it you think i have a belief in? it isnt anybody else,s bullshit as you put it, do you think i am mindless of what i study :grin: peace and light

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:27 am
by Prajna
How much of what you posted do you know from your own experience?

I don't mean how much of it agrees with ideas you had already formed but how much of that do you know is true because you went inside yourself, beyond thought, and found it out for yourself? Anything less is belief.

He who knows Brahman is Brahman only.

All that you quoted was a bunch of beliefs, a cosmogony expounded. Some of it may be close to the truth but most of it is religious dogma and distortions of what Sufis have actually said. It is written by a pundit, not by a sage.

Beliefs will not help you in any way. Beliefs only exist in mind, even the belief in 'oneness'. When mind stops there are no beliefs, there is nothing that is not ever-present. It is the only way to know the truth.

Sorry to call them bullshit beliefs but all beliefs are bullshit. Don't be a follower, empirical exploration is the only way.


Re: i am that

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:27 am
by Prajna
From Paramhansa Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi":

"Poor boy, the mountains couldn't give what you wanted." Master spoke caressively, comfortingly. His calm gaze was unfathomable. "Your heart's desire shall be fulfilled."

Sri Yukteswar seldom indulged in riddles; I was bewildered. He struck gently on my chest above the heart.

My body became immovably rooted; breath was drawn out of my lungs as if by some huge magnet. Soul and mind instantly lost their physical bondage, and streamed out like a fluid piercing light from my every pore. The flesh was as though dead, yet in my intense awareness I knew that never before had I been fully alive. My sense of identity was no longer narrowly confined to a body, but embraced the circumambient atoms. People on distant streets seemed to be moving gently over my own remote periphery. The roots of plants and trees appeared through a dim transparency of the soil; I discerned the inward flow of their sap.

The whole vicinity lay bare before me. My ordinary frontal vision was now changed to a vast spherical sight, simultaneously all-perceptive. Through the back of my head I saw men strolling far down Rai Ghat Road, and noticed also a white cow who was leisurely approaching. When she reached the space in front of the open ashram gate, I observed her with my two physical eyes. As she passed by, behind the brick wall, I saw her clearly still.

All objects within my panoramic gaze trembled and vibrated like quick motion pictures. My body, Master's, the pillared courtyard, the furniture and floor, the trees and sunshine, occasionally became violently agitated, until all melted into a luminescent sea; even as sugar crystals, thrown into a glass of water, dissolve after being shaken. The unifying light alternated with materializations of form, the metamorphoses revealing the law of cause and effect in creation.

An oceanic joy broke upon calm endless shores of my soul. The Spirit of God, I realized, is exhaustless Bliss; His body is countless tissues of light. A swelling glory within me began to envelop towns, continents, the earth, solar and stellar systems, tenuous nebulae, and floating universes. The entire cosmos, gently luminous, like a city seen afar at night, glimmered within the infinitude of my being. The sharply etched global outlines faded somewhat at the farthest edges; there I could see a mellow radiance, ever-undiminished. It was indescribably subtle; the planetary pictures were formed of a grosser light.

The divine dispersion of rays poured from an Eternal Source, blazing into galaxies, transfigured with ineffable auras. Again and again I saw the creative beams condense into constellations, then resolve into sheets of transparent flame. By rhythmic reversion, sextillion worlds passed into diaphanous luster; fire became firmament.

I cognized the center of the empyrean as a point of intuitive perception in my heart. Irradiating splendor issued from my nucleus to every part of the universal structure. Blissful amrita, the nectar of immortality, pulsed through me with a quicksilverlike fluidity. The creative voice of God I heard resounding as AUM, the vibration of the Cosmic Motor.

Suddenly the breath returned to my lungs. With a disappointment almost unbearable, I realized that my infinite immensity was lost. Once more I was limited to the humiliating cage of a body, not easily accommodative to the Spirit. Like a prodigal child, I had run away from my macrocosmic home and imprisoned myself in a narrow microcosm.


Vanished the veils of light and shade,
Lifted every vapor of sorrow,
Sailed away all dawns of fleeting joy,
Gone the dim sensory mirage.
Love, hate, health, disease, life, death,
Perished these false shadows on the screen of duality.
Waves of laughter, scyllas of sarcasm, melancholic whirlpools,
Melting in the vast sea of bliss.
The storm of MAYA stilled
By magic wand of intuition deep.
The universe, forgotten dream, subconsciously lurks,
Ready to invade my newly-wakened memory divine.
I live without the cosmic shadow,
But it is not, bereft of me;
As the sea exists without the waves,
But they breathe not without the sea.
Dreams, wakings, states of deep turya sleep,
Present, past, future, no more for me,
But ever-present, all-flowing I, I, everywhere.
Planets, stars, stardust, earth,
Volcanic bursts of doomsday cataclysms,
Creation's molding furnace,
Glaciers of silent x-rays, burning electron floods,
Thoughts of all men, past, present, to come,
Every blade of grass, myself, mankind,
Each particle of universal dust,
Anger, greed, good, bad, salvation, lust,
I swallowed, transmuted all
Into a vast ocean of blood of my own one Being!
Smoldering joy, oft-puffed by meditation
Blinding my tearful eyes,
Burst into immortal flames of bliss,
Consumed my tears, my frame, my all.
Thou art I, I am Thou,
Knowing, Knower, Known, as One!
Tranquilled, unbroken thrill, eternally living, ever-new peace!
Enjoyable beyond imagination of expectancy, samadhi bliss!
Not an unconscious state
Or mental chloroform without wilful return,
samadhi but extends my conscious realm
Beyond limits of the mortal frame
To farthest boundary of eternity
Where I, the Cosmic Sea,
Watch the little ego floating in Me.
The sparrow, each grain of sand, fall not without My sight.
All space floats like an iceberg in My mental sea.
Colossal Container, I, of all things made.
By deeper, longer, thirsty, guru-given meditation
Comes this celestial samadhi.
Mobile murmurs of atoms are heard,
The dark earth, mountains, vales, lo! molten liquid!
Flowing seas change into vapors of nebulae!
AUM blows upon vapors, opening wondrously their veils,
Oceans stand revealed, shining electrons,
Till, at last sound of the cosmic drum,
Vanish the grosser lights into eternal rays
Of all-pervading bliss.
From joy I came, for joy I live, in sacred joy I melt.
Ocean of mind, I drink all creation's waves.
Four veils of solid, liquid, vapor, light,
Lift aright.
Myself, in everything, enters the Great Myself.
Gone forever, fitful, flickering shadows of mortal memory.
Spotless is my mental sky, below, ahead, and high above.
Eternity and I, one united ray.
A tiny bubble of laughter, I
Am become the Sea of Mirth Itself.

Would you replace that experience - the empirical knowledge of oneness - with a simple belief?

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:15 am
by enegiss
double post soz. :grin:

Re: i am that

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:19 am
by enegiss
Would you replace that experience - the empirical knowledge of oneness - with a simple belief?
i might use less words, :grin: what i experienced was a different thing to what the yogi experienced, for me there are only words on a screen, he experienced what he did, i experienced what i did, then i looked, not before i experienced but after, i didnt see creative beams or galaxies or experience anything so visual, but non the less it was awe inspiring, then i looked for the direction it came from, and i found it was universal knowledge expressing itself through i, myself. i am certainly not a follower but a see,er and a knower, anything the yogi says, has no content for me, as science stole the imaginary universe and made it, its own. so for cosmic experience i read. i am not looking to disappear into myself as i find it an empty place, anything there is imaginings formulated from existing in this world not in another, i am aware that i do not create the origin but i am aware that i create my path i tread for my self.
I cognized the center of the empyrean as a point of intuitive perception in my heart. Irradiating splendor issued from my nucleus to every part of the universal structure. Blissful amrita, the nectar of immortality, pulsed through me with a quicksilverlike fluidity. The creative voice of God I heard resounding as AUM,(OO) the vibration of the Cosmic Motor.
yeah, quite like that with a little more people in , billions of them, seeing them in distress and struggling in ignorance of them selves, knowing it was myself. :grin: not far off eh! peace and light prajna. all roads lead to rome (origin) metaphorically speaking of course